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David McQueen
Hi All,

It has been awhile. I am not near as active as I used to be.

I have a client where I am converting a program written written for
runtime in FileMaker Pro 10 in 2010 going to FMP 16 in a WAN
networked environment.

I have done the initial program conversion to the FMP 12-16 family.
All seems to have gone smoothly fro the most part.

We are testing in a single user environment right now on Winodws 10
with a 64 bit version of FileMaker Pro.

I have two questions:

1. There is a send mail script that sends individual emails using the
local email client. The email client on this machine is Outlook from
Office 2016, apparently a 32 bit version ( I do not know if there is
a 64 bit version).

When the script is triggered, Outlook is called and the email forms
perfectly but then there appears to be a conflict between the two
programs and Outlook locks up to the point where one has to go to
task manager to get out of it.

Does anyone have any advice/ observations on this.

2. It has been a long time since I worked on these scripts. Once this
works in a local environment, will this send mail script work from
each local desktop in a networked environment. This would be
important here as people are working remotely from each other.

Thanks

Dave
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Re: Conversion bug/program incompatibility

Stephen Wonfor-3
David

You need to match 32:32. So you need to install the 32 bit FMP. Or do the email via smtp.

Stephen

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> On Aug 11, 2017, at 13:52, David McQueen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> It has been awhile. I am not near as active as I used to be.
>
> I have a client where I am converting a program written written for runtime in FileMaker Pro 10 in 2010 going to FMP 16 in a WAN networked environment.
>
> I have done the initial program conversion to the FMP 12-16 family. All seems to have gone smoothly fro the most part.
>
> We are testing in a single user environment right now on Winodws 10 with a 64 bit version of FileMaker Pro.
>
> I have two questions:
>
> 1. There is a send mail script that sends individual emails using the local email client. The email client on this machine is Outlook from Office 2016, apparently a 32 bit version ( I do not know if there is a 64 bit version).
>
> When the script is triggered, Outlook is called and the email forms perfectly but then there appears to be a conflict between the two programs and Outlook locks up to the point where one has to go to task manager to get out of it.
>
> Does anyone have any advice/ observations on this.
>
> 2. It has been a long time since I worked on these scripts. Once this works in a local environment, will this send mail script work from each local desktop in a networked environment. This would be important here as people are working remotely from each other.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
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> LICHEN Software
> Barrie, ON, Canada
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Re: Conversion bug/program incompatibility

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Hi Dave: I’m surprised that the 64-bit version of FMP16 can actually activate the 32-bit version of Outlook. But I’m not surprised that it doesn’t work right. The 64-bit version of FM has trouble interacting with 32-bit applications (not just Outlook, but things like Adobe Reader as well). If they are indeed using the 32-bit version of Outlook or other apps, then I recommend uninstalling the 64-bit version of FM and installing the 32-bit version instead. Or, upgrading all 32-bit apps to their 64-bit equivalents. (There is certainly a 64-bit version of Outlook 2016).


> On Aug 11,2017, at 9:52 AM, David McQueen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have a client where I am converting a program written written for runtime in FileMaker Pro 10 in 2010 going to FMP 16 in a WAN networked environment.
>
> I have done the initial program conversion to the FMP 12-16 family. All seems to have gone smoothly fro the most part.
>
> We are testing in a single user environment right now on Winodws 10 with a 64 bit version of FileMaker Pro.
>
> I have two questions:
>
> 1. There is a send mail script that sends individual emails using the local email client. The email client on this machine is Outlook from Office 2016, apparently a 32 bit version ( I do not know if there is a 64 bit version).
>
> When the script is triggered, Outlook is called and the email forms perfectly but then there appears to be a conflict between the two programs and Outlook locks up to the point where one has to go to task manager to get out of it.
>
> Does anyone have any advice/ observations on this.
>
> 2. It has been a long time since I worked on these scripts. Once this works in a local environment, will this send mail script work from each local desktop in a networked environment. This would be important here as people are working remotely from each other.



regards,
Darren

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Re: Conversion bug/program incompatibility

Egon
Just to so everyone is aware, this isn’t just a FileMaker issue. Many systems can’t communicate across the bit versions. Quicken and Quickbooks would be another example.

This is a good explanation of why:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384203%28v=vs.85%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396

J. Hall
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> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Darren Terry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave: I’m surprised that the 64-bit version of FMP16 can actually activate the 32-bit version of Outlook. But I’m not surprised that it doesn’t work right. The 64-bit version of FM has trouble interacting with 32-bit applications (not just Outlook, but things like Adobe Reader as well). If they are indeed using the 32-bit version of Outlook or other apps, then I recommend uninstalling the 64-bit version of FM and installing the 32-bit version instead. Or, upgrading all 32-bit apps to their 64-bit equivalents. (There is certainly a 64-bit version of Outlook 2016).
>
>
>> On Aug 11,2017, at 9:52 AM, David McQueen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I have a client where I am converting a program written written for runtime in FileMaker Pro 10 in 2010 going to FMP 16 in a WAN networked environment.
>>
>> I have done the initial program conversion to the FMP 12-16 family. All seems to have gone smoothly fro the most part.
>>
>> We are testing in a single user environment right now on Winodws 10 with a 64 bit version of FileMaker Pro.
>>
>> I have two questions:
>>
>> 1. There is a send mail script that sends individual emails using the local email client. The email client on this machine is Outlook from Office 2016, apparently a 32 bit version ( I do not know if there is a 64 bit version).
>>
>> When the script is triggered, Outlook is called and the email forms perfectly but then there appears to be a conflict between the two programs and Outlook locks up to the point where one has to go to task manager to get out of it.
>>
>> Does anyone have any advice/ observations on this.
>>
>> 2. It has been a long time since I worked on these scripts. Once this works in a local environment, will this send mail script work from each local desktop in a networked environment. This would be important here as people are working remotely from each other.
>
>
>
> regards,
> Darren
>
> ******************************
> Darren Terry
> Pacific Data Management, Inc.
> FileMaker Certified Developer
> Phone: (408) 283-5900 x7003
> Fax: (408) 283-5903
> [hidden email]
> http://www.pdm-inc.com/
>
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Re: Conversion bug/program incompatibility

Richard DeShong
And to your other question about will this work in a "networked
environment"...

First, using that phrase makes it sound like everyone is on a LAN, which
would imply that their computers would all have the same setup.  But
then you added "working remotely".  And, in the opening statement, you
used WAN.

In any case, if you have a send mail script that calls the user's email
client, and you want to be sure that it will work for all users, then
you have to be sure that all users have the exact same setup.  The same
version of Outlook is installed and is set as their default email client.


On 8/11/2017 10:03 AM, J Hall wrote:

> Just to so everyone is aware, this isn’t just a FileMaker issue. Many systems can’t communicate across the bit versions. Quicken and Quickbooks would be another example.
>
> This is a good explanation of why:
>
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384203%28v=vs.85%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
>
> J. Hall
> Cell/Text/iMessage: 713-409-0554
> Twitter: Egonj
>
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Darren Terry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave: I’m surprised that the 64-bit version of FMP16 can actually activate the 32-bit version of Outlook. But I’m not surprised that it doesn’t work right. The 64-bit version of FM has trouble interacting with 32-bit applications (not just Outlook, but things like Adobe Reader as well). If they are indeed using the 32-bit version of Outlook or other apps, then I recommend uninstalling the 64-bit version of FM and installing the 32-bit version instead. Or, upgrading all 32-bit apps to their 64-bit equivalents. (There is certainly a 64-bit version of Outlook 2016).
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 11,2017, at 9:52 AM, David McQueen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a client where I am converting a program written written for runtime in FileMaker Pro 10 in 2010 going to FMP 16 in a WAN networked environment.
>>>
>>> I have done the initial program conversion to the FMP 12-16 family. All seems to have gone smoothly fro the most part.
>>>
>>> We are testing in a single user environment right now on Winodws 10 with a 64 bit version of FileMaker Pro.
>>>
>>> I have two questions:
>>>
>>> 1. There is a send mail script that sends individual emails using the local email client. The email client on this machine is Outlook from Office 2016, apparently a 32 bit version ( I do not know if there is a 64 bit version).
>>>
>>> When the script is triggered, Outlook is called and the email forms perfectly but then there appears to be a conflict between the two programs and Outlook locks up to the point where one has to go to task manager to get out of it.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any advice/ observations on this.
>>>
>>> 2. It has been a long time since I worked on these scripts. Once this works in a local environment, will this send mail script work from each local desktop in a networked environment. This would be important here as people are working remotely from each other.
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Darren
>>
>> ******************************
>> Darren Terry
>> Pacific Data Management, Inc.
>> FileMaker Certified Developer
>> Phone: (408) 283-5900 x7003
>> Fax: (408) 283-5903
>> [hidden email]
>> http://www.pdm-inc.com/
>>
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Re: Conversion bug/program incompatibility

Jonathan Fletcher-2
Or, skip Outlook and its "bag of hurt” by simply using the SMTP option. If they insist on keeping a copy, just add the sender to the BCC field.

j.


> On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Richard DeShong <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> And to your other question about will this work in a "networked environment"...
>
> First, using that phrase makes it sound like everyone is on a LAN, which would imply that their computers would all have the same setup.  But then you added "working remotely".  And, in the opening statement, you used WAN.
>
> In any case, if you have a send mail script that calls the user's email client, and you want to be sure that it will work for all users, then you have to be sure that all users have the exact same setup.  The same version of Outlook is installed and is set as their default email client.
>
>
> On 8/11/2017 10:03 AM, J Hall wrote:
>> Just to so everyone is aware, this isn’t just a FileMaker issue. Many systems can’t communicate across the bit versions. Quicken and Quickbooks would be another example.
>>
>> This is a good explanation of why:
>>
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384203%28v=vs.85%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
>>
>> J. Hall
>> Cell/Text/iMessage: 713-409-0554
>> Twitter: Egonj
>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Darren Terry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dave: I’m surprised that the 64-bit version of FMP16 can actually activate the 32-bit version of Outlook. But I’m not surprised that it doesn’t work right. The 64-bit version of FM has trouble interacting with 32-bit applications (not just Outlook, but things like Adobe Reader as well). If they are indeed using the 32-bit version of Outlook or other apps, then I recommend uninstalling the 64-bit version of FM and installing the 32-bit version instead. Or, upgrading all 32-bit apps to their 64-bit equivalents. (There is certainly a 64-bit version of Outlook 2016).
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 11,2017, at 9:52 AM, David McQueen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a client where I am converting a program written written for runtime in FileMaker Pro 10 in 2010 going to FMP 16 in a WAN networked environment.
>>>>
>>>> I have done the initial program conversion to the FMP 12-16 family. All seems to have gone smoothly fro the most part.
>>>>
>>>> We are testing in a single user environment right now on Winodws 10 with a 64 bit version of FileMaker Pro.
>>>>
>>>> I have two questions:
>>>>
>>>> 1. There is a send mail script that sends individual emails using the local email client. The email client on this machine is Outlook from Office 2016, apparently a 32 bit version ( I do not know if there is a 64 bit version).
>>>>
>>>> When the script is triggered, Outlook is called and the email forms perfectly but then there appears to be a conflict between the two programs and Outlook locks up to the point where one has to go to task manager to get out of it.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any advice/ observations on this.
>>>>
>>>> 2. It has been a long time since I worked on these scripts. Once this works in a local environment, will this send mail script work from each local desktop in a networked environment. This would be important here as people are working remotely from each other.
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Darren
>>>
>>> ******************************
>>> Darren Terry
>>> Pacific Data Management, Inc.
>>> FileMaker Certified Developer
>>> Phone: (408) 283-5900 x7003
>>> Fax: (408) 283-5903
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://www.pdm-inc.com/
>>>
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Re: Conversion bug/program incompatibility

David McQueen
Thank you all. This gives me things to work with.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Jonathan Fletcher <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Or, skip Outlook and its "bag of hurt” by simply using the SMTP option. If they insist on keeping a copy, just add the sender to the BCC field.
>
> j.
>
>
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Richard DeShong <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> And to your other question about will this work in a "networked environment"...
>>
>> First, using that phrase makes it sound like everyone is on a LAN, which would imply that their computers would all have the same setup.  But then you added "working remotely".  And, in the opening statement, you used WAN.
>>
>> In any case, if you have a send mail script that calls the user's email client, and you want to be sure that it will work for all users, then you have to be sure that all users have the exact same setup.  The same version of Outlook is installed and is set as their default email client.
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2017 10:03 AM, J Hall wrote:
>>> Just to so everyone is aware, this isn’t just a FileMaker issue. Many systems can’t communicate across the bit versions. Quicken and Quickbooks would be another example.
>>>
>>> This is a good explanation of why:
>>>
>>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384203%28v=vs.85%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
>>>
>>> J. Hall
>>> Cell/Text/iMessage: 713-409-0554
>>> Twitter: Egonj
>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Darren Terry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dave: I’m surprised that the 64-bit version of FMP16 can actually activate the 32-bit version of Outlook. But I’m not surprised that it doesn’t work right. The 64-bit version of FM has trouble interacting with 32-bit applications (not just Outlook, but things like Adobe Reader as well). If they are indeed using the 32-bit version of Outlook or other apps, then I recommend uninstalling the 64-bit version of FM and installing the 32-bit version instead. Or, upgrading all 32-bit apps to their 64-bit equivalents. (There is certainly a 64-bit version of Outlook 2016).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11,2017, at 9:52 AM, David McQueen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a client where I am converting a program written written for runtime in FileMaker Pro 10 in 2010 going to FMP 16 in a WAN networked environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have done the initial program conversion to the FMP 12-16 family. All seems to have gone smoothly fro the most part.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are testing in a single user environment right now on Winodws 10 with a 64 bit version of FileMaker Pro.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have two questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. There is a send mail script that sends individual emails using the local email client. The email client on this machine is Outlook from Office 2016, apparently a 32 bit version ( I do not know if there is a 64 bit version).
>>>>>
>>>>> When the script is triggered, Outlook is called and the email forms perfectly but then there appears to be a conflict between the two programs and Outlook locks up to the point where one has to go to task manager to get out of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any advice/ observations on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. It has been a long time since I worked on these scripts. Once this works in a local environment, will this send mail script work from each local desktop in a networked environment. This would be important here as people are working remotely from each other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> Darren
>>>>
>>>> ******************************
>>>> Darren Terry
>>>> Pacific Data Management, Inc.
>>>> FileMaker Certified Developer
>>>> Phone: (408) 283-5900 x7003
>>>> Fax: (408) 283-5903
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://www.pdm-inc.com/
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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